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Thread for all debate and discussion relating to the war.

LATEST: Finland FINALLY joins NATO - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65164726
Sweden applied to join Nato at the same time last May, but Turkey is blocking it over similar complaints.
Do you believe the Kurds should be treated as terrorists? I have mixed views on this.

LATEST: France endorses China's peace-maker role - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-65198757
China previously set out the following suggestions in a ceasefire between the 2 parties:

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected.

2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent.

3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire.

4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard.

5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones.

6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose.

7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities.

8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.

9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis.

10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people.

11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery.

12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor.

Personally I don't believe Putin can be trusted, not one bit. He breaks all his promises.
However, I agree that humanitarian crises should not be politicised, I feel sympathetic towards Russian citizens who are often forced into war against their will.

Feel free to share any updates and thoughts relating to the war in this thread :)
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I'm glad to see that Russian rouble falls to lowest value since the past year.

Asked if people in the country should be concerned, he said the rouble was likely to strengthen thanks to the continued sales of Russian energy on the global market.

Late last year, Western countries imposed a price cap on Russian oil, a huge source of income for the country. It was one of many sanctions imposed by nations supporting Ukraine.

But despite these punishments, the Russian economy has shrunk far less than predicted, and commentators have been surprised at its resilience.
While I condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for a while I've been feeling opposed to sanctions against Russia. Although this does not compare to the civilians killed in war, I feel we are all being punished for the actions of Russia with the cost of living crisis while I don't think Russia will be affected badly enough to end the war. It does not seem to have given up any time.

I realise this is a controversial viewpoint and apologise for any offence caused. I hope that China and India will join the West in discouraging and sanctioning Russia but that does not likely to be the case any time soon.
 
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Vitaly, A Russian activist who documented the losses of Russian mercenaries, has fled Russia having received death threats.

The activist, from the southern Russian region of Krasnodar, was arrested and jailed on 24 February 2022, the day of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The former Russian army officer had gone out to protest that day in clothes emblazoned with the words "No to Putin!" and "No to the war!"


In Krasnodar, Vitaly is known not for street protests, but for documenting graves.

He was the first person to discover a now-infamous cemetery in the small village of Bakinskaya in Krasnodar Region, since known as the Wagner cemetery.

This is where the notoriously brutal mercenary group buries many of its dead from Ukraine - men who either have no relatives or whose bodies are unclaimed.

It has grown from a small village graveyard into an enormous cemetery, with several new zones to accommodate the ever-increasing number of dead. Security guards now patrol the facility.

On Thursday, Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin visited the cemetery in Bakinskaya village and said he planned to turn it into a memorial "for future generations".



Vitaly started travelling around Krasnodar Region in May 2022, visiting every single graveyard to record the numbers of the fallen.

"I needed to prove to people that there was a catastrophe happening," Vitaly tells me, "that people were dying here, close to them.

"I needed to show people that the war would affect everyone and everything."
 
US intelligence documents have been leaked which include information about the Russia-Ukraine war, as well as about the USA's allies.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, a high-ranking Pentagon official said the documents were "a very serious risk to national security and have the potential to spread disinformation".


Mr Meagher declined to answer when asked if the Pentagon believes the documents to be genuine, although he said that some "appear to have been altered".

Uh-oh! Let's hope that any disinformation does not trigger a false-flag operation for Russia, and that disinformation helps to confuse Russia to put them off the war. Fingers crossed!
 

Opposition activist Vladimir Kara-Murza has been sentenced to 25 years in jail in Russia for charges linked to his criticism of the war in Ukraine.


Mr Kara-Murza, 41, has spent years speaking out against Russian President Vladimir Putin and, alongside the war in Ukraine, has also been critical of the government's crackdown on dissent.

"False info" - of course that's what Russia will say :rolleyes:
He was found guilty of treason, spreading "false" information about the Russian army and being affiliated with an "undesirable organisation".

Big case
Mr Kara-Murza's 25-year sentence, which has been widely condemned, was the maximum sought by prosecutors and is the longest sentence an opposition figure has received since the war in Ukraine began.

It took only minutes for the judge to rule on his case - sometimes the delivery of verdicts and announcing sentencing can take a long time in Russian courts.

The judge said Mr Kara-Murza would serve his time in a "strict regime correctional colony" and that he would be fined 400,000 roubles ($4,900; £4,000).

Past survival
Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny also weighed in on Mr Kara-Murza's sentencing, calling it "revenge" by the Kremlin "for the fact that he did not die at one time" after he allegedly survived two poisonings by Russian authorities.
He nearly died twice after being poisoned and moved to the US with his family to recover. He later returned to Russia but refused to leave after the invasion of Ukraine, despite the growing risk to those who opposed the government.


Multiple charges
Mr Kara-Murza played a key role in persuading Western governments to sanction Russian officials for human rights abuses and corruption.
He was arrested a year ago in Moscow, initially for disobeying a police officer. More serious charges were levelled at him once he was in custody.

Mr Kara-Murza's case was partly based on a speech he made to politicians in the US last year, where he said Russia was committing war crimes in Ukraine with cluster bombs in residential areas and "the bombing of maternity hospitals and schools".

Those claims have been independently documented - but deemed false by Russian investigators who said the defence ministry did "not permit the use of banned means… of conducting war" and insisted Ukraine's civilian population was not a target.

Another charge stemmed from an event for political prisoners at which Mr Kara-Murza referred to what investigators called Russia's "supposedly repressive policies".
Mr Kara-Murza was involved in the passing of the Magnitsky Act in the US - a key piece of legislation that helped secure the adoption of sanctions targeting human rights abusers in Russia.

International reaction
His sentence has been widely condemned, with the British government summoning its Russian ambassador and saying that it would look at measures for holding those involved in Mr Kara-Murza's detention and "mistreatment" to account.

The UK had already sanctioned the judge who presided over the trial for previous involvement in human rights violations.

"Russia's lack of commitment to protecting fundamental human rights, including freedom of expression, is alarming," British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said in a statement.
 
This war have gone too long than I expected and it's the Ukrainian people that's suffered most. Even though, I will give kudos to Ukraine for not backing down from a tyrant in Putin.
I'm not surprised, don't trust Russia at all after all their broken promises.
The Russian army was chaos from the start, I assumed Putin had an under-handed plan.
 
It upsets me to see how much the Ukrainian people have gone through, it's something you never want to see anyone go through but they have been amazing in standing their ground and fighting for their country.

I really don't feel Putin has any clue what he is doing at this point and we are seeing that from the decisions he is making. The guy is one evil person not willing to back down but neither is Ukraine.
 
It upsets me to see how much the Ukrainian people have gone through, it's something you never want to see anyone go through but they have been amazing in standing their ground and fighting for their country.

I really don't feel Putin has any clue what he is doing at this point and we are seeing that from the decisions he is making. The guy is one evil person not willing to back down but neither is Ukraine.
100%.
 
A wave of Russian air strikes on cities across Ukraine, including Kyiv, has left at least 25 people dead.

In Uman, a town that has been largely spared Russian attack, a nine-storey apartment building partially collapsed after it was hit by a missile.

Oleksander, a 35-year-old resident of the block, said he had been woken up after he heard a powerful explosion.

"I couldn't understand what was happening. I went to the balcony and saw glass everywhere. It was horrible," he told the BBC.
 
Russia's Wagner Group boss says Moscow has agreed to his demands for more ammunition, days after he threatened to withdraw his men from Bakhmut.

Disagreements between different fighting groups. Wow. Doesn't make for a very strong Russia, lol.

At the time, Ukrainian officials expressed scepticism that Prigozhin truly intended to withdraw his forces from Bakhmut.
I'd have believed so too.
 
I didn't think this war was going to go on so long. I really thought Russia would have pulled out by now.
Don't trust Russia!!!

Robin Hood No GIF
 
Air raid sirens have sounded across Ukraine after Russia launched a fresh wave of drone and missile strikes.
Knew it was coming!! Kyiv had been left alone for quite a bit.

@fords8 given the above, when did you initially predict the war would end, and what's your prediction now?
 
About time!! (y)
The UK has confirmed it is supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles it requested for its fight against invading Russian forces.

The Storm Shadow cruise missile has a range of over 250km (155 miles), according to the manufacturer.

By contrast, the US-supplied Himars missiles used by Ukraine only have a range of around 80 km (50 miles).

They are fired from aircraft, so the longer range means Ukrainian pilots will be able to stay further from the frontlines.

Once launched, the Storm Shadow drops to low altitude to avoid detection by enemy radar, before latching onto its target with an infra-red seeker.
But he warned the range of the British-supplied Storm Shadows was "not in the same league" as Russia's own missile systems - with some of Moscow's weapons being able to travel far further.
 
The head of the World Food Programme (WFP) has warned that it will be difficult to feed the world if Russia pulls out of the Ukraine grain deal.

Cindy McCain told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that the deal, which is due to expire on 18 May, must be renewed.
The export agreement has allowed Ukraine to transport millions of tonnes of food despite the ongoing conflict.

The deal was brokered by the UN and Turkey last July.

It was agreed to help tackle a global food crisis after access to Ukraine's ports in the Black Sea was blocked by Russian warships following the invasion in February 2022.

Ukraine is a major global exporter of sunflower, maize, wheat and barley, and more than half of the wheat grain procured by the WFP last year came from there.

The deal is meant to be extended for 120 days at a time but Russia has threatened to quit the agreement on 18 May over obstacles to its grain and fertiliser exports.

Senior officials from Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and the UN met in Istanbul on Thursday to discuss proposals to extend the deal.

The meeting appeared to end without Russian agreement.

The Kremlin said that Russian President Vladimir Putin could speak to Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan at short notice if needed regarding an extension of the deal, but no such plans have been announced as yet.

Ms McCain said the WFP had been sourcing grains from other sources to distribute to countries around the world but it had not been able to feed as many people due to rising costs.

"The equipment that they use to work the farms are mined. This is a tragic situation. And if the conflict were to end today, we'd be years being able to clear the land and clear the properties to make sure that it was safe to plant and safe to put livestock on."

Russia has issued a list of demands regarding its own agricultural exports that it wants met before it agrees to an extension, including restarting a pipeline that delivers Russian ammonia to a Ukrainian Black Sea port, which the UN has been pushing for.
 
Ukraine says it has recaptured ground in Bakhmut, a rare advance after months of grinding Russian gains in the eastern city.

Thanks to the UK's longer range missiles, yes!!!
 
LATEST:

Volodymyr Zelensky has accused some Arab leaders of "turning a blind eye" to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, ahead of his trip to the G7 in Japan.

The US says it will allow its Western allies to supply Ukraine with advanced fighter jets, including American-made F-16s, in a major boost for Kyiv.

The US will support the delivery of advanced fighter jets to Ukraine by allowing Western allies to supply American-made F-16s, and by training Ukrainian pilots to use the jets.

G7 summit in Japan live updates:
 
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