UK firearms laws

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I think stricter gun control laws are needed in the UK. I think more investment is needed in training of the UK police force.

Firearms officer returned a gun license to a previous perpetrator of violent assault.
www.bbc.co.uk

Plymouth shooting: Firearms licence officer says he had no training

An inquest into five people's deaths in Plymouth is told firearms licence training was "on the job".
www.bbc.co.uk

David Rees worked as a firearms enquiry officer at Devon and Cornwall Police.

He told the inquest he learned the role "on the job", and he wished a different decision had been made over the licence being reissued to Davison that year.

Mr Rees said there was no training given relating to subjects such as domestic violence or for following a national decision-making model for gun licences.

He said he had "made an attempt" to start an internet-based course but said there were "no direct questions" and it was "very difficult to understand".

Mr Rees said the course "fell by the wayside" after he spent a few hours on it.

Mr Rees also said he wished he had acted differently when returning Davison's license in July 2021, following it being taken from him after he violently assaulted two teenagers.

Davison attacked a 16-year-old boy and 15-year-old girl in September 2020 after one of them called him "fat", the hearing was told.

In a letter dated 1 July 2021, Mr Rees wrote to his superiors to say Davison had paid compensation to the victims and had completed a "thinking skills" course.
Mr Rees wrote that Davison "expressed regret at his actions and fully understood that as a certificate holder he must have a high degree of personal discipline and responsibility".

Davison was given his licence back one month before he killed his five victims.
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I definitely don't think doing a "thinking skills" course suffices to re-gain trust for a firearms license. I don't think any action would suffice. I think criminals should be barred from holding guns - no exceptions.
I'm surprised this even happens in the UK. This is not the USA!:eek:
 
guyyanthony said:
I AGREE!!!
Criminals should be barred from holding guns... its so dangerous!!!
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100. No ifs buts, ands or ors.
Oh, and the guy has autism. I feel like stories like this gives conditions like autism a bad name. And it's not nice.
I am strongly opposed to stereotypical views of autism.

Do you personally feel that risk assessments should be conducted when one has a condition, or do you feel that would be discriminatory?
 
I don't think risk assessments based on certain conditions should be part of a background check as much as determining criminal background history. However, the caveat, is there's always a first offense and often times, one is not caught and gets away with it or the records don't show the criminal background right away and a gun is obtained legally.
 
Web Diva said:
the records don't show the criminal background right away
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This should never happen! But I know as a software developer that bugs can never be eliminated 100% :p
I had a chat with an online friend the other day, and you'd be surprised by the number of bugs encountered in Microsoft's development kit. :oops:
 
~ True Legend ~ said:
100. No ifs buts, ands or ors.
Oh, and the guy has autism. I feel like stories like this gives conditions like autism a bad name. And it's not nice.
I am strongly opposed to stereotypical views of autism.

Do you personally feel that risk assessments should be conducted when one has a condition, or do you feel that would be discriminatory?
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Bloody oath i do, risk assessment should be conducted before any fire arms are given out....

i'm probably going to sound like an ******* but, i am sorry anyone that has a medical condition shouldn't be able to hold a fire arm because it could become a danger to them, or people around them, i don't have anything against people with medical conditions, but if they can prove that they can be responsible with a firearm, or complete a risk assessment to see if they are a risk, thoughts?
 
guyyanthony said:
Bloody oath i do, risk assessment should be conducted before any fire arms are given out....

i'm probably going to sound like an ******* but, i am sorry anyone that has a medical condition shouldn't be able to hold a fire arm because it could become a danger to them, or people around them, i don't have anything against people with medical conditions, but if they can prove that they can be responsible with a firearm, or complete a risk assessment to see if they are a risk, thoughts?
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I have mixed views on it.
On one hand, I wouldn't want to feel the person with a condition to feel like they're being singled out.
On the other hand, I feel that safety overrides that duty to not discriminate.

The bottom line is rather than a risk assessment being conducted for conditions, I think a risk assessment should be conducted for EVERYONE, where criminal history in addition to reports of domestic violence. Domestic violence is under-rated as a risk assessment measure IMO. It's sad that domestic violence is not taken seriously as it should be the police. :(
 
Define the medical conditions that would prohibit someone from acquiring a firearm? There lies the problem. Just the other day America had another mass murder at a Kentucky bank. The guy that shot 6 people and injured 9, did not have a record. He was a stellar athlete in high school and also was employed at the bank. He purchased the AR-15 a week before, so it was premeditated. Young, without a criminal record. What do you do with that?
 
~ True Legend ~ said:
Oh, and the guy has autism. I feel like stories like this gives conditions like autism a bad name. And it's not nice.
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@Web Diva I think you may have missed this. :)

Web Diva said:
Define the medical conditions that would prohibit someone from acquiring a firearm?
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~ True Legend ~ said:
The bottom line is rather than a risk assessment being conducted for conditions, I think a risk assessment should be conducted for EVERYONE, where criminal history in addition to reports of domestic violence. Domestic violence is under-rated as a risk assessment measure IMO. It's sad that domestic violence is not taken seriously as it should be the police. :(
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Keen to hear your views @guyyanthony - what medical conditions?

Web Diva said:
Just the other day America had another mass murder at a Kentucky bank. The guy that shot 6 people and injured 9, did not have a record. He was a stellar athlete in high school and also was employed at the bank. He purchased the AR-15 a week before, so it was premeditated. Young, without a criminal record. What do you do with that?
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You can't always read people's minds. So I guess a psychological evaluation for everyone who wants a firearm would be in order.

BUT... still, you never know.
Because some people gain a long nose, but invisible.
Animation Lying GIF
 
~ True Legend ~ said:
@Web Diva I think you may have missed this. :)





Keen to hear your views @guyyanthony - what medical conditions?


You can't always read people's minds. So I guess a psychological evaluation for everyone who wants a firearm would be in order.

BUT... still, you never know.
Because some people gain a long nose, but invisible.
Animation Lying GIF
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Right, you never know when someone will snap. :cautious:
 
The frequency of these atrocities are increasing. Two more happened at a prom over the weekend in a small town, that you wouldn't think would have violence like this.

www.huffpost.com

9 Teenagers Injured In Texas Prom After-Party Shooting

Nine teenagers were shot in an east Texas residence early Sunday at a prom after-party attended by hundreds, according to the Jasper County Sheriff's Office.
www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com
 
Heatman said:
To the best of my knowledge, I believe that a more strict gun control laws are needed all over the world and not just in the UK or US. These guns are used to commit atrocities all over the world.
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Yeah we only really think about the US, but this happened and I was shocked. So I imagine it's an issue elsewhere too, but unreported in the news .
 
You know, I always believed that the UK was a country that was safe from guns but how very wrong was I. It seems many are managing to get them in the country somehow and a lot of the time it is people who are involved with drugs that have them.

Just before Christmas last year, I and my daughter were out getting a few last-minute things for Christmas and it was quite late at night. We got back around 11 pm and it was not too long after that we found out there has been a shooting around the corner from me and at least two or three people jumped into a getaway car and sped off.

The fact that these weapons are getting into the country in the first place is shocking but also that more is not being done to prevent it is even worse. We sure do live in a scary world now.
 
Shortie said:
You know, I always believed that the UK was a country that was safe from guns but how very wrong was I. It seems many are managing to get them in the country somehow and a lot of the time it is people who are involved with drugs that have them.

Just before Christmas last year, I and my daughter were out getting a few last-minute things for Christmas and it was quite late at night. We got back around 11 pm and it was not too long after that we found out there has been a shooting around the corner from me and at least two or three people jumped into a getaway car and sped off.

The fact that these weapons are getting into the country in the first place is shocking but also that more is not being done to prevent it is even worse. We sure do live in a scary world now.
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Yeah not surprised really. Can't say it's as bad as the USA though.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

FonaCab: Taxi firm sacks driver over 'gun' video

A video circulated online shows the driver pointing what appears to be a gun at a passenger.
www.bbc.co.uk
A Belfast taxi firm has terminated the employment of a driver over a video which shows him with a suspected firearm.
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No laws will help if a gun can be purchased illegally, which i assume it was in this case.
Taxi driver was fired, a police investigation will begin.
 
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